Telaprevir and Fat (Good vs Bad)

[greginky]

I have been pondering over this issue quite a bit as to how to get the 20 grams of fat. If you know me then you know I research things to death, I guess I am kind of anal-retentive in that regard. But I have been looking at this issue extra hard. I want to share my thoughts and get everyone's feedback on it. The first issue I came up with was good fat versus bad fat. So my main focus then became incorporating the good fats. My first area of research revolved around Avocados. A medium sized one has about 20 grams of good fat in it. I found some research that stated that eating an Avocado a day for a week lowered a persons cholesterol on average about 17%. I found that stat amazing. I take blood tests monthly because of my diabetes and it was 3 weeks after my last test that I found this research, so I decided to give it a try. I ate an Avocado a day for a week, then went back for my next months blood work. My LDL's(Lousy Cholesterol) had dropped 45 points, my HDL's(Healthy Cholesterol) had gone up 1 point, and my triglycerides had dropped 8 points as well. So, I figured that the research was fairly accurate and quite impressive. My problem was that i didn't care a lot for Avocados. I tried fixing them in different ways but couldn't find a way that I liked them. I want something fast and easy, because at 5 am I don't want to have to choke down an Avocado or Almond butter sandwich. THEN, my mind tonight drifted back to a former subject I had researched a few years back and voila, I think I have my answer now. I had been taking flaxseed oil back then, and I had stumbled across research that stated that the best way to take it was to mix it in some cottage cheese or yogurt, this had to do with making it absorb better in your body, but it was also easier than just swallowing it by the tablespoon as well. . So tonight I got to looking and a tablespoon of Olive oil has 14 grams of fat, 12 of the good fat and 2 of sat fat in it. So what I plan on doing that is fast and easy is to put a tablespoon and a few drops more of that in some yogurt or cottage cheese, stir it up and eat that. Simple, fast and easy to stomach for me. I don't know if it will help the absorption or not, but it is the simple fast easy way to get my good fat in me. I plan on researching Avocado oil tomorrow, I did some preliminary looking and found some online for about $1 an ounce for 100% pure Avocado oil, I just need to research the amount of fat in it further, but I am too tired to do that tonight. I am looking for peoples thoughts on this idea of mine. Since I am not a Dr or in a medical profession, then I am not sure of any possible risks involved with my idea, so any of you that may know about such risks then please let me know. I think I have found out how I am going to get my fat unless someone tells me that this is just folly on my part. It sounds pretty good to me though. Your thoughts please!!!!

[ipaqgps]

21 grams of fat for 1 oz.   Easy to eat and not to many to eat for 1 oz.... Adds variety....  Macadamia nutz... and it is good fat..

Also there is a breakfast shake by Barry Sears the Zone Diet that has olive oil in it and it is very good and complete in carbs, proteins and fats....  Strawberry but you could replace the fruit with berries.... If you would like a breakfast smoothie recipe let me know..

What a problem having to eat fat to take pills... That is My kind of Treatment!!  Hey I did do that treatment.... It just wasn't Doctor ordered...

 

[greginky]

What is 21 grams of fat to an ounce?

[greginky]

I found a good way of getting my 20 grams of "good" fat this morning. I bought a blender at a yard sale a few weeks ago and have been experimenting with it. This morning I made a smoothie of Skim milk, 1 1/2 tablespoons of Olive Oil for the fat content, a cup of yogurt, a tablespoon of Wheat Germ for the liver and a tablespoon of Amish made strawberry jelly for flavor, along with 2 scoops of high quality Whey protein powder. It was great. I think I have found my combination that is fast, easy to swallow and I can make it up the night before so it is fast and easy to drink.

Ipaqs, I looked at the Macadamia nuts but they have almost twice the sat fat of Olive oil so I think I will stick with Olive Oil, Avocado oil has the same a,mount of fats as Olive Oil so I think I will just use olive oil for my fat source.

[Trinity]

Greginsky,

"I guess I am kind of anal-retentive in that regard" 

Once you start the Incivek it will give a whole new meaning to anal retentive. 

Trin

[greginky]

Hi Trinity, yeah I had a friend ask me this weekend, is anal-retentive hyphenated LOL. I got a kick out of that question.

Greg

[banarep]

Greginsky,

"I guess I am kind of anal-retentive in that regard" 

Once you start the Incivek it will give a whole new meaning to anal retentive. 

Trin

oh yes.....

[banarep]

Like you, I have been concerned about my fat levels for many years.  My family has a history of high cholesterol and heart problems.  When I asked my study doctor about that his answer kind of opened my eyes.  He told me we were only talking 12 weeks and that nothing I ate in that short of time should have any long term effect on my overall health.

so my advice to you is to not worry so much about getting the bad or the good fat and to just eat stuff that you like, it is only for a short period of time.

on a side not,  your triglycerides will probably go up anyway, treatment does that.  when I was on all three rounds, mine went up over 1000 and all my different study docs said not clinically significant - cause they went down later.

[keith]

I second that BR!!

[greginky]

Using the good fats has already lowered my cholesterol so I can't say that I totally agree with you this time BR.

[Cali]

Hey Greg,

Like you I've been trying to get my fats and proteins from fruits, veggies, etc. (I don't eat red meat).  I love avocado though...how about guacamole with some diced tomatoes and tortilla chips?  Or another of my favorites is cream of avocado soup....ummmm...delicious!  As for oil, I'd stick to the olive oil, it's all I use for everything...so much better for you than vegetable, canola or any of the others.

There are several recipe sites online...try recipes.com for some new ideas. 

Cali

[DougV]

Planters has snack packs, one of them, the heart healthy has exactly 20 grams of fat.

I'm one of the fortunate ones who doesn't have to worry too much about the source of fat.  My cholesterol levels have always been good. 

I do however find where a pill may produce nausea that I need to eat something absorbant with the pill to avoid nausea.  So for me something like yogart mixed with oil (not to mention it sounds a bit disgusting) or nuts or heck just  20g slug of oil, won't do it.  Hunk of bread with cheese, or bread dipped in olive oil, heck even hostess ding dongs (19g for two) and a half glass of milk is better than a fat source alone. 

Gotta say it's the early one that's hardest for me, especially as that is not a time I eat.  Today toast w/butter and glass of milk.  Day 1 muffin, butter, and water, yesterday milk and toast again.  Oh tomorrow I'll have milk toast ( toast w/butter salt and pepper w/hot milk).  That kind of diet is going to get old real quick.  Late night one is tough too, another time I never eat.  So far real healthy, Ding Dong and milk, cupcakes and milk.

Oh well 12 weeks is all, I can loose weight later....

Doug

[Trinity]

I'm using this yogurt and switching off with peanut butter for my 6 and 2 dose for now.  When I tire of it I'll move to something else.  It's has the required fat grams, tastes good and goes down easy.  I was a little nuts at first about the healthy stuff but at this point, frankly my dears I don't give a damn.  Agree Bana, it's only for a very short period of time - no harm to foul.
 
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[christmasmorning]

Doug planters snack pack going to look for that. Trinity what kind of yogurt has 20 grms of fat. That sound like a good change. Doug have been doing alot of toast with butter sometimes peanut butter and a glass of milk. Some string cheese. But you have to eat three they r only 7grams of fat. I never eat this much im not a big eater. Im waiting for my dr to call Ill let ya all know maybe tomorrow.  Alittle scared, should be use to this by now.

[greginky]

As far as nuts go, I have a hard time eating them with my dentures. I have my smoothie formula down pat, I might make one more little tweak after talking to a nurse friend of mine, she suggested flaxseed meal. The oil may sound disgusting, but you never notice it, my smoothie this morning was delicious

I do agree with Banarep and Doug in the contest that if you do not have cholesterol problems then it really won't hurt you much, but since I an insulin dependent diabetic and have high cholesterol I am at HIGH risk of a heart attack, so in MY case the good fats are extremely important. At 5am I plan on knocking down one of my smoothies which I will make up the night before.